Blog EntryClub Photo shuts down without noticeMar 8, '07 2:21 PM
for everyone
For the last two and a half years Multiply has been outsourcing its photo-printing to a company called Club Photo. For the most part our customers were satisfied with the quality of the prints, and we were satisfied with the reliability and turn-key nature of our relationship.

Around 1AM on Wednesday morning Mary, a fellow Multiply employee, received an e-mail from our former business development liaison at Club Photo. It happened to be from an "@photoTLC.com" e-mail address. It began:

I am writing to let you know that PhotoTLC has decided to close their business today without notifying any customers in advance. I WISH I HAD MORE OF A HEADS UP BUT I WAS NOTIFIED THE SAME TIME YOU WERE. It has been a tough day and a huge shock to me as well as I had no idea this was going to happen. I wish I had more to say but words can’t express exactly how I feel at this time.

Actually, we weren't notified the same time. Excluding this e-mail from what sounded like a recently laid-off employee...we were actually never notified. Not even to this point, since it wasn’t clear from this e-mail precisely how Multiply would be affected.

Not one to immediately panic, I first wanted to confirm what relationship, if any, there was between photoTLC and Club Photo. It turns out photoTCL acquired Club Photo in December 2005.

I checked out the Club Photo web-site at http://www.clubphoto.com. It was working fine. I then logged into the affiliate tools Club Photo provides us to check the status of orders. It was fully functional and I was able to confirm orders shipping as of March 5th. Behind the scenes, our process for sending orders from Multiply to Club Photo was working fine too.

Puzzled, I tried to get information directly from the company. Unable to reach anybody at their business number I tried a cell-phone number I found in an old email. The person I called, a technical liaison we had with the company, was actually laid off a few months ago and was surprised with my questions and news. He offered to call some friends of his that still worked (or so he thought) at the company. He called me back about 15 minutes later.

Apparently, some time on March 6th, everybody at the company was let go. Everybody. All photoTCL staff (including subsidiaries like Club Photo) were told to pack their desks and be out in one hour. They were told not to login and send emails. Accounts were frozen. Locks to the doors were also changed. (This is 3rd or 4th hand gossip.)

Despite the above,as of right now, the Club Photo web-site is still taking orders for prints! Is that even legal if the company is shut-down? I guess they fired everybody who had access to update the web-site.

If Mary was out of the office on vacation, or mistakenly deleted an e-mail from an unexpected domain as spam, Multiply may still be taking orders and charges from users and submitting orders to Club Photo. Everything is still functioning fine despite this story which states that photoTLC "abruptly ceased operations."

At Multiply, we immediately removed our "order prints" links (while we look for and implement a better replacement). Of course, we're also giving prompt refunds to our customers who have recently submitted print orders that weren't processed yet. But what about people that have orders at clubphoto.com? If there's no staff left capable of turning off the web-site, is there anyone around to process refunds? What about people still making orders? Where does that money go?

I can't possibly think of how just turning things off as they have done, with no notice to partners and customers, was the best business decision. I would love for someone involved in that decision to explain why they couldn't give even just 24 hours notice, and why they didn't turn off their site (and affiliate partner interface).


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foonasty wrote on Mar 8, '07
How can a company like that just shut its doors? I'm sure we're not the only company left in the lurch with orders in mid-process. ClubPhoto was "a provider of photo gift and restoration services for national retailers such as Walgreens, CVS, Rite-Aid, Meijer and Albertsons" according to the article Marc posted. I wonder if they gave those guys any notice ...
tp8888 wrote on Mar 8, '07
I checked out the Club Photo web-site at http://www.clubphoto.com. It was working fine. I then logged into the affiliate tools Club Photo provides us to check the status of orders. It was fully functional and I was able to confirm orders shipping as of March 5th. Behind the scenes, our process for sending orders from Multiply to Club Photo was working fine too.
sorry to hear this for you guys...i'm sure you'll find someone else to pick up where they left off...

did some quick searches on their domain names...

creekside llc seems to be a tech consultant they had? if their site is still "working", maybe someone from creekside may know why?...also tom ryan, ed bernstein, ali rezaian are names below if you wish to further investigate...good luck with everything. tony

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Registrant:
Club Photo, Inc.
5311 Fleming Ct.
Austin, TX 78744
US

Domain name: CLUBPHOTO.COM

Administrative Contact:
Photo, Club ops@clubphoto.com
5311 Fleming Ct.
Austin, TX 78744
US
(512) 444-0958
Technical Contact:
Photo, Club ops@clubphoto.com
5311 Fleming Ct.
Austin, TX 78744
US
(512) 444-0958


Registration Service Provider:
Domainmonger.com, service@domainmonger.com
+1.801-572-0021
+1.425-952-0172 (fax)
http://www.domainmonger.com



Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 10-Oct-2006.
Record expires on 15-May-2008.
Record created on 16-May-1998.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CLUBPHOTO.COM 207.200.20.33
NS.CLUBPHOTO.COM 207.200.20.253

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Registrant:
Creekside LLC
Ed Bernstein
3925 Cypress Drive
Petaluma, CA 94954
US
Email: dns@phototlc.com

Registrar Name....: REGISTER.COM, INC.
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: www.register.com

Domain Name: phototlc.com

Created on..............: Thu, Feb 21, 2002
Expires on..............: Thu, Feb 21, 2008
Record last updated on..: Wed, Jan 10, 2007

Administrative Contact:
PhotoTLC, Inc.
Tom Ryan
100 Tamal Plaza Ste. 250
Corte Madera, CA 94925
US
Phone: 415 462 0025
Email: dns@phototlc.com

Technical Contact:
PhotoTLC, Inc.
Tom Ryan
100 Tamal Plaza Ste. 250
Corte Madera, CA 94925
US
Phone: 415 462 0025
Email: dns@phototlc.com

DNS Servers:

ns2.vistabroadband.net
ns1.vistabroadband.net

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Creekside, LLC
336 Bon Air Center, PMB 352
Greenbrae, CA 94904
US

Domain Name: CREEKSIDELLC.COM

Administrative Contact :
Rezaian, Ali
ali@LINEX.COM
420 Lovell Ave.
Mill Valley, CA 94941
US
Phone: 415-381-1119
Fax: 123 123 1234

Technical Contact :
LineX Communications,
dns@LINEX.COM
PO BOX 150029
SAN RAFAEL, CA 94915-0029
US
Phone: 415-455-1650
Fax: 123 123 1234

Record expires on 30-Jun-2008
Record created on 30-Jun-1999
Database last updated on 05-Oct-2006

Domain servers in listed order: Manage DNS

NS1.LNHI.NET
NS2.LNHI.NET 65.36.160.56
tp8888 wrote on Mar 8, '07
looks like you are not alone
bumgarner wrote on Mar 11, '07
Thanks for the info. Keep us posted as to when it's "safe" to order prints through the new supplier. And I was just going to order a bunch of old ones too....
chrisscielo wrote on Mar 15, '07
I had a $250 order placed on 2/26 that never arrived. I called and left voice mails for everyone on their directory. Whenever I emailed orders@clubphoto.com it bounced back to me. I had individual emails for reps there and emailed them but no response. I just recently requested my credit card company dispute the charge that they took out on 3/1 for the order.
kevin223 wrote on Mar 15, '07
has anyone found any good alternatives? my company is in the same boat
dobbsman wrote on Mar 20, '07
I was an employee happily going to work on March 6th at Club Photo. The GM came in at about 8am and told us all to pack up or stuff and leave. The place failed because of the parent Company Photo TLC did not know how to manage their money. They spend big money on expensive machines that didn't make enough product to justify the cost. Example, a $20,000 Brother printer that might turn out 10 t-shirts a day. Another example is the spent a million dollars on a another product process and never made the product.They were also all about the money. The employees mattered very little. The company had no soul. Technical infrastructure was weak and constantly breaking down. The week before the shut down we were down for 2 full days because of a server crash. We had regular sever crashes almost on a weekly basis. You can't operate a company like that. They wouldn't spend the money on the hardware and talented people to make the place work. It's sad. It could have been a great place to work for a long time.
michaelg wrote on Mar 20, '07
I was an employee happily going to work on March 6th at Club Photo.
Thanks for the info. Sorry to hear about your experience.
fotofix wrote on Mar 20, '07
I'm sorry that I don't know all that Multiply did. And I don't know exactly how you integrated in with clubphoto. But there are many alternatives out there.

Lifepics.com
PhotoFinale.com
These are two good ones.

Anyone who used PhotoTLC for any item, if you haven't already found other suppliers for photo gifts, prints, etc (our company does photo restoration) I'd be happy to get you in contact with some of our contacts.

Austin Long
HollywoodFotofix.com
(801-768-0624

chrisscielo wrote on Mar 20, '07
Dobbsman sorry to hear about that. I had horrible experiences with Club Photo's technical issues but the customer service was always good. That's why I was so surprised when I couldn't get an answer from anyone. It's extremely irresponsible for the powers that be there to close up and not close down the website and continue to take people's money and not refund it or even contact the customer.
bangerphotos wrote on Mar 21, '07
So sorry to hear they've closed the doors. Always had great service from the Customer Service staff (Many Thanks to Seth, Jonita and Chloe).
Not sure how this news is going to effect me, my whole website / photo business was built around the WEB codes of ClubPhoto, so its not just a case of finding an alternative company.
My whole site has to now close down and be rebuilt at a huge cost.
Such a shame as I had (still have until they remove them) almost 2 million on-line pictures.
www.BangerPhotos.com wont be out of action long...... fingers crossed !!
Good luck everyone....
Karl :)
www.BangerPhotos.com
davidweaver wrote on Apr 4, '07
Hi Folks,
Michael called me, David Weaver. I received a couple other phone calls from former customers that day also. I used to be the Director of Affiliate Relations at Club Photo. ClubPhoto was a wonderful and quirky small company that did B2C photo stuff like Ofoto, smugmug,and others and they had a high quality B2B operations where CP did contract printing to the trade. I won't go into the client list, however Multiply was one of the clients.

PhotoTLC was run by Ed Bernstein. PTLC obtained venture capital funding - sources are easily found on Google. PTLC acquired ClubPhoto around October or November of 2005 using funds from their VC deal. This seemed to be a reasonable vertical integration play for PTLC.

I was unceremoniously fired without notice or reason a few weeks after PhotoTLC acquired ClubPhoto. The CP president was released in a similar fashion a few weeks later.

Ed Bernstein was let go a few months ago and a new CEO was brought in at PTLC.

PTLC was never able to manufacture at the same ability as the acquired Austin-based CLubPhoto. A few weeks before the entire company shut down there had been announcements, in the media, that all manufacturing was going to be consolidated in Austin.

Basically, PTLC, burned up 20+ million dollars in just over a year. You've read about VC backed companies that go out in a blaze of money burning contrails? Most of those happened in the dot bomb days. It's interesting to see that it still happens.

PTLC shut down operations without any forewarning to employees at either location (Petaluma, CA and Austin, TX). The company did not notify any of the ClubPhoto consumer customers. The short email in the original post was the only notice given to some B2B customers.

There is a simple way for former ClubPhoto Business customers to maintain their operations continuity. Please email me at david (at) weaver dot net if you would like that info. I'm not affiliated with PTLC or CP (I'm actually unemployed) and I think that shutting down a business in this manner is very offensive. I'd be happy to help any of my former customers.

I suggest Multiply contact the author of the email they received. If they have not then I'd ask them to call me and I'll put you in touch.

I also recommend keeping backup copies of everything and getting a copy off-site once in a while.

Best Regards,
David Weaver
Austin, TX
akatan wrote on Apr 10, '07, edited on Apr 10, '07
I made an order of prints on March 28th and was charged about $60 on my credit card.

Finally, I reached here to solve my question why I have not receive my order yet and any response to my mail inquiring about shipment.....

Closed on March 6th?

How did they charge me on March 28th, more than 20 days after they closed?

Do you have any suggestion to me what I should do?

Jeff
davidweaver wrote on Apr 10, '07, edited on Apr 10, '07
Call your credit card company. Send then a letter and copy them on the message I posted. I get 2-4 messages a week from former customers, both business and consumer. The site seems to be down...FINALLY! Geeez I can't believe that they are charging credit cards (albeit automatically) a month after they ceased operations and tossed everyone out.

I feel your lose.

David Weaver
akatan wrote on Apr 10, '07
Thank you very much for your prompt suggestion, and really useful information, too.
Thanks for your information, I could decide to place an order of print to other online printing site tonight..... Ha ha ha!

Jeff
chrisscielo wrote on Apr 11, '07
go to your bank or credit card company and dispute the charge
legoz81 wrote on Apr 12, '07
Anybody know what we can do to try and get pressure put on the company so we can at least get our pictures back?
pkailasa wrote on Apr 12, '07
legoz81 said
Anybody know what we can do to try and get pressure put on the company so we can at least get our pictures back?
If you ordered prints for photos posted on Multiply, then you never lost your pictures. Multiply will continue to host them.

I suppose your case might be different.
dfsdfsdffdsa wrote on Apr 13, '07
Well, the website IS shut down now and I fear all my photos are lost -- and I am extremely upset. I have several photos on there that are not backed up anywhere (I was a Platinum member and using Club Photo as my sole host!). Not to mention the time spent creating albums -- even though I do have the photos backed up elsewhere. I'd definitely pay the fee to get all my albums on CD, and would have paid it months ago had I know this might happen. I suspected there was a problem (Photo of the Day hadn't changed in months) but just a month ago I called and spoke to someone about another problem I was having. No indication of ANYTHING.

Geez I hope the website goes back up for a few days so we can get our stuff off. And how terrible of them to do this without any notice, warning, or opportunity to let us get our pictures off CD. The money from all the members rushing to order CDs could have saved them!
carolyn22 wrote on Apr 13, '07
Club Photo was the only online photo shop that I was aware of that printed 31/2 x 5 photos. Does anyone know of an alternative now that Club Photo is defunct? Thanks.
bumgarner wrote on Apr 13, '07
Winkflash does 4 x 5.3 photos. I needed smaller than 4x6 for my holiday photos, and they worked well. I would try them.
www.winkflash.com
michaelg wrote on Apr 13, '07
Club Photo was the only online photo shop that I was aware of that printed 31/2 x 5 photos. Does anyone know of an alternative now that Club Photo is defunct? Thanks.
Multiply will support that shortly. It's a great way to share photos.
bumgarner wrote on Apr 13, '07
Multiply will support that shortly. It's a great way to share photos.
Great! It will be so much easier to use multiply exclusively!
baker wrote on Apr 14, '07
Great! It will be so much easier to use multiply exclusively!
Hey Gersh - any other new and exciting photo choices coming up, like photo books a la mypublisher.com or shutterfly?? Then I really could be exclusive :-)
majdisaster wrote on Apr 14, '07
I joined clubphoto last week as a platinum member and started uploading pictures, which I was able to do easily. Now in the past few days I have been unable to upload anything or even load the clubphoto website. I have been charged for a year platinum membership.
dave wrote on Apr 14, '07
baker said
Hey Gersh - any other new and exciting photo choices coming up, like photo books a la mypublisher.com or shutterfly?? Then I really could be exclusive :-)
Photo books, along with mugs, mouse pads and all that other stuff will definitely be part of the mix. We hope to be up and running with the new partner in the next few weeks.
baker wrote on Apr 14, '07
dave said
Photo books, along with mugs, mouse pads and all that other stuff will definitely be part of the mix. We hope to be up and running with the new partner in the next few weeks.
Woo Hoo!! Awesome!
carolyn22 wrote on Apr 14, '07
Thanks!
vegasiguana wrote on Apr 15, '07
This is such upsetting news! I"ve been a clubphoto member for 7 years! I do hope that photo recovery is a possiblity; oddly enough I was thinking about order CD copies this weekend
davidweaver wrote on Apr 16, '07
Hi y'all. I forgot for a moment how viral the internet is :-)
I an now getting a lot of emails from former club photo customers concerned about their images. I do not know if images are retrievable. Their data center was in south Austin. The lawyers, the venture capital fund (Disney's Steamboat Ventures), and the courts will have to figure this out. Heh...you might try and contact Steamboat Ventures http://steamboatvc.com/pages_usa/contactus.html I'm sure they really don't want a lot of people calling but they are your photos on someones servers.
davidweaver wrote on Apr 16, '07
Steambaot is not the only investor BTW.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2005/dec/1223345.htm
artimis36d wrote on Apr 17, '07
Wow, I just found ClubPhoto was extremely slow in the last week, so I decide to order a CD of my images and switch to Picasa. Luckily I didn''t make the order since I can't reach the site anymore, but I lost all my images. I just wanted my pictures back.
Did anyone tried to contact the lawyers concerning the pictures?
alohadonna wrote on Apr 17, '07, edited on Apr 21, '07
Just a big mahalo from a long time Hawaiian clubphoto member to David Weaver and to Michael for solving the mystery about the downed site. My son found Michael's blog and now we know. I want to thank David for all the years of great service and am sorry it's kaput. (Sounds like they gave him the shaft.too.) I had CDs of my albums so I didn't lose any but I liked & was used to the format. (Grannies aren't always the fastest to leap onto new technology). I liked the ablilty to download my kids photos from their sites to use them myself in sharing grandchildren's photos with family and friends. Say, I tried www.Smugmug.com and am using as my next website. My son is an IT and checked them out . He thinks it's a hot site and will use it next too. They offer backup CDs as clubphoto did and they said they are researching what kind of photo book to offer. I figured that if I don't like their photo books or cards I'll do those on Shutterfly. So far, it's a breeze to download images into Smumug and filling out the address book. They also have a nice feature in which you can send a URL of one particular image in an email which I can use in my volunteer work. It's a lot easier for viewers to make an image larger to view and there are very easy editing features to utilize. Chin up, Clubphoto orphans!
egonzinc wrote on Apr 18, '07
I have all the images somewhere but not having the nearly 9000 images organized in a place I could reference and link to is upsetting for sure!

If you loaded the images to the site, using the Living Album tool, you might find that there are album files in your computer where you can rescue the images.

I had a similar experience with Photopoint and now Clubphoto... Idon't think I can trust any other hosting site ever again and I'm wondering what else I can do as I love sharing my hobby interests...
I'm more dissapointed than mad. But you could tell that Clubphoto was having problems. Down at times, not accessible on weekends, at times I could not hotlink the images... and very bad communications when approached. And the clincher, tha same "Picture of the Day" for about three motnhs! jajaja!
Any updates are appreciated...
Another sign that they were doing poorly is the few hits on Google , this only the second hit i found in over a week...

Eduardo
tmik wrote on Apr 20, '07
I also had a bunch of albums posted and some were not backed up so if anyone gets info on where or how to get them PLEASE post here. THANK YOU
emtbxs wrote on Apr 20, '07
I have had a link on my business web site to my Clubphoto Album for years so customers could view my product. It was just easier to do that than to post on my own site. I too had a similar experience with Photopoint. David Weaver made a good point in suggesting to contact your credit card company if you purchased product and / or service and have not received in full of what you purchased.. I did this when I had problems with Photopoint and don't remember if I rec'd a full refund or just a refund on based on the service that was not used but I did receive it. Best yet, they (your credit card company) do all the contact and arguing for you as it's not too hard to prove that you didn't receive your full service / order.

Thanks for this site. It took me a couple of days to locate it. I'll keep it bookmarked for any further updates.
marykaa wrote on Apr 20, '07
for me it wasn't business.. and I have all the photos.. somewhere.. but for the last 6 years.. I'd been making special albums.. (40) with selected photos in each.. it will be a long road 'til I sort them out again. I will definately keep a back-up next time :(
dwinnera wrote on Apr 20, '07
LEGAL ACTION?
Is there any chance of us - collectively - taking legal action to get our pictures back?
Like many other people, I've lost a lot of irreplaceable pictures which, for the last six years I've paid to store on clubphoto.
These images must still exist on servers and computers somewhere. The company's stuff`is now likely in the hands of liquidators, executors... someone has it.
I'm guessing this is a new area of law. Are our lost (actually, in a way, 'stolen') images 'assets'? What are our legakl rights here?
Does anyone know? Does anyone think it's a good idea to find out?
David dswinn@yahoo.com
cj9927 wrote on Apr 21, '07
i am from Hong Kong and had signed up for clubphoto's platinum membership. i also had a lot of pictures uploaded on clubphoto throughout the past years but they are all gone now, very upset and disappointed! During the past couple of weeks, i have been searching google for an answer, wanting to know what had happened to clubphoto and i finally found this website which provides the answer. Thanks. i have also bookmarked this site.
manemk wrote on Apr 21, '07
I have filed a complaint with the Attorney General of Texas, the Better Business Bureau and wrote to my state govenor - why? I don't know. I am desperate I guess. I lost six years worth of family photos. I will be crushed if I lose them all.
kbheaton wrote on Apr 22, '07
Good idea. EVERYONE *please* contact:

Attorney General of Texas - Consumer Protection division
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/agency/contacts.shtml

AND

Better Business Bureau - Austin office
http://www.centraltx.bbb.org/contactus.html

The more complaints the better... for ALL of us.

David's right - our photos still exist somewhere. There has to be a way to force Club Photo to allow us, or their appointed representative, access to them.

I don't suppose that stress constitutes grounds for a class action suit, does it? Any legal eagles in this bunch?

Sympathetic regards,

Kathy
Houston TX
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bird_Breeder-Hobbyist

tungsten64 wrote on Apr 22, '07
Anyone have any updates or idea on whether or not we'll ever see our pictures again?
Comment deleted at the request of the author.
manemk wrote on Apr 22, '07
I have been writing anyone that could remotely help. Here is a link to Austin's City Council Info. There are a bunch of council members email - including the mayor. For what it is worth...
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/council/
manemk wrote on Apr 22, '07, edited on Apr 22, '07
I have been emailing newspapers, tv and radio stations in Austin all morning. I just got a response...

Hello -

I am sorry to hear of your problem. I have forwarded your e-mail to Fox 7 news here in Austin - we work closely with them. They have an actual consumer reporter. The news desk did seem interested in your story - so I hope they take up your story. Their e-mail is news@fox7.com. I hope you can come to some resolve - at least getting your photo's sent to you as jpg's on a cd or something!

News Radio 590 KLBJ

So everyone email the above address. The more noise the better.
manemk wrote on Apr 22, '07
another response from same person...

Two others you may want to consider contacting: Kim Kommando and Clark Howard. Kim http://www.komando.com/ does a syndicated computer show on our station on the weekends. Clark Howard http://clarkhoward.com/ is a consumer radio talk show host who is heard on our station every night. Good luck!

Please everyone take the time to send out some emails.
smoky53 wrote on Apr 22, '07
I, too, am/was a paid member of ClubPhoto and have been for many years. I have some of my photos backed up, some I don't. I was using ClubPhoto for my back-up in case my hard drive died...seems now my hard drive is more reliable. But my favorite part of ClubPhoto was the ability to organize my photos and share with family and friends. However, although ClubPhoto is based in Austin, TX, the company was owned by a California based company called PhotoTLC. I have also sent a consumer complaint inquiry to the Office of Attorney General in CA, along with one to Texas.
http://venturebeat.com/2007/03/11/phototlc-shuts-down-consolidation-continues/
carpmusic wrote on Apr 22, '07, edited on Apr 22, '07
Man, I am so glad I found this site! We're also CP victims! Something has to be done! And David Weaver- sorry, I sent an email to you before I read more stuff here asking if you how to get the photos. Sorry I jumped the gun :) Just trying to get my photos back.
manemk wrote on Apr 22, '07
Is anyone as surprised as I am that there is NOTHING about it anywhere? Were there not as many Club Photo customers as I thought?
kbheaton wrote on Apr 22, '07
*** Austin TX is is *Travis* county. File your complaint to the AG online:
https://www.oag.state.tx.us/forms/cpd/cpd_getinfo.php ***
egonzinc wrote on Apr 22, '07
Glad to see others finding this site. For a while I thought I was the only person with images posted on Clubphoto!
I know it is oput of the scope oif this conversation, but how hard is it to set up an individual website to host iimages?
How hard canit be to set up a website with 10 or so albums and each subdivided with 50 albums or less and 50 images in each album with some descriptive text? And then I imagine it should be no problem to link to the images on other sites...
Why I ask this, well Iknow it would be more money, but I went through the Photopoint meltdown and now this. I want to know where I go from here as I simply don't want to go with PhotoWhateverClub and find myself once again in the dark five yers from now...
I already have accounts in PictureTrail and Webshot, but I feel I want more control going forward. Iknow it will be more money and time, but... control is important too, and in most things you get what you pay for...
In the case of Photopoint, several weeks after going dark they offered to send you all your images for $25. In this case many of us had running subscriptions...if they send me the disk I will not bother any more.

On another related note, did any of you notice how old images would degenerate in the CP site. Some of my images from 5-6 years back would dissapear and I would get a gray square with dark red type saying "Please Upload this Image Again"... that began my worries with Cp as the reason to host the images is to save them for a long time.
Another tell tale sign was the "Picture of the Week or Month" they would post...ALWAYS the same image! jajaja!
Well please excuse the rant, venting frustration for sure...
Everyone always said that CP was not good, but I always liked the way I could upload images and sort out in albums. As mentioned above, it was very easy to upload, organize and share your images.
Eduardo
tmik wrote on Apr 22, '07
Eduardo - I think this site ( www.multiply.com ) is the place to go. First they are giving us updates on Club Photo as they come in here and 2ndly and most important their site is EXCEPTIONALLY EASY to post photos to and actually design a web page for folks to go to which is FREE as far as I can see. I have already posted 12 albums there and I am MORE then HAPPY !!!!
dwinnera wrote on Apr 22, '07
It's really encouraging that CP victims are beginning to show up here. (and a big thank you to MichaelG for giving us a space)
We need to find out definitively who now has all CP's stuff - servers, equipment etc - and then we can go about getting our pictures back
And well done, manemk! Getting a reporter or two on the case will definitely move things forward
David
girlperson1 wrote on Apr 22, '07, edited on Apr 22, '07
I spoke with someone today at the company who used to host clubphoto and he said that as far as he knew they were moving their hosting to another company. I'm not sure how reliable this information is given the fact that clubphoto didn't bother to let anyone know about this shutdown and given the fact that they are apparently out of business and still charging credit cards with orders. I've contacted the attorney general. It looks like I've lost a lot of memories thanks to clubphoto. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!
jimsb1 wrote on Apr 22, '07
For the last two and a half years Multiply has been outsourcing its photo-printing to a company called Club Photo. For the most part our customers were satisfied with the quality of the prints, and we were satisfied with the reliability and turn-key nature of our relationship.

Around 1AM on Wednesday morning Mary, a fellow Multiply employee, received an e-mail from our former business development liaison at Club Photo. It happened to be from an "@photoTLC.com" e-mail address. It began:

I am writing to let you know that PhotoTLC has decided to close their business today without notifying any customers in advance. I WISH I HAD MORE OF A HEADS UP BUT I WAS NOTIFIED THE SAME TIME YOU WERE. It has been a tough day and a huge shock to me as well as I had no idea this was going to happen. I wish I had more to say but words can’t express exactly how I feel at this time.

Actually, we weren't notified the same time. Excluding this e-mail from what sounded like a recently laid-off employee...we were actually never notified. Not even to this point, since it wasn’t clear from this e-mail precisely how Multiply would be affected.

Not one to immediately panic, I first wanted to confirm what relationship, if any, there was between photoTLC and Club Photo. It turns out photoTCL acquired Club Photo in December 2005.

I checked out the Club Photo web-site at http://www.clubphoto.com. It was working fine. I then logged into the affiliate tools Club Photo provides us to check the status of orders. It was fully functional and I was able to confirm orders shipping as of March 5th. Behind the scenes, our process for sending orders from Multiply to Club Photo was working fine too.

Puzzled, I tried to get information directly from the company. Unable to reach anybody at their business number I tried a cell-phone number I found in an old email. The person I called, a technical liaison we had with the company, was actually laid off a few months ago and was surprised with my questions and news. He offered to call some friends of his that still worked (or so he thought) at the company. He called me back about 15 minutes later.

Apparently, some time on March 6th, everybody at the company was let go. Everybody. All photoTCL staff (including subsidiaries like Club Photo) were told to pack their desks and be out in one hour. They were told not to login and send emails. Accounts were frozen. Locks to the doors were also changed. (This is 3rd or 4th hand gossip.)

Despite the above,as of right now, the Club Photo web-site is still taking orders for prints! Is that even legal if the company is shut-down? I guess they fired everybody who had access to update the web-site.

If Mary was out of the office on vacation, or mistakenly deleted an e-mail from an unexpected domain as spam, Multiply may still be taking orders and charges from users and submitting orders to Club Photo. Everything is still functioning fine despite this story which states that photoTLC "abruptly ceased operations."

At Multiply, we immediately removed our "order prints" links (while we look for and implement a better replacement). Of course, we're also giving prompt refunds to our customers who have recently submitted print orders that weren't processed yet. But what about people that have orders at clubphoto.com? If there's no staff left capable of turning off the web-site, is there anyone around to process refunds? What about people still making orders? Where does that money go?

I can't possibly think of how just turning things off as they have done, with no notice to partners and customers, was the best business decision. I would love for someone involved in that decision to explain why they couldn't give even just 24 hours notice, and why they didn't turn off their site (and affiliate partner interface).

Re: ClubPhoto demise

This is the second time, since 2001, that it’s happened to me. I was a paid member for a different web site, that hosted photo sharing, and just after I renewed my membership, that site shut down, without notice! I lost everything. Seems if my memory serves me correctly, that the corporate office was based out of Canada, but the actual business was in the US. Unfortunately, I can’t remember the name of that site. Same thing happened with their website, with a lot of down time before the “end” came?

Oddly, I see Club Photo surface within months (less then a year). Here we are, in 2007, and history repeats itself? Even though I see everyone was fired on 3/6/07, I know for a fact that they were still taking orders after that. Yeah, I just paid another $14.95 for a Gold Membership, on 4/9/07, after being unable to view my albums, since my membership had expired some time ago. Oddly, again, they never sent me messages that my albums would expire. And, again, I lost many photos…..over 900. After I paid for my membership? Low and behold, my all my albums appears, although a bit slowly.

I’m not upset about the $$$ at all. Just the fact that I have lost so many pictures over these 2 incidents. Especially since a lot of those pictures were of my wife and me. She passed away back on 4/15/05. 2 months later, our cat passed away. 6 months later, my computer took a dump and I lost everything.

So, what lesson have I learned, after two times the “end”? First off, make sure you back up all your photos up on CD, and protect them in jewel cases. If you want to rely on another service, make sure they have a very long, reliable track record (at least 5 years or better. Never go with a new company, much less someone dealing with a “LLC”. Heck, just never go with a new company, period!

This time, I hope there is someone out there that can get a class action suit going against these people. That is, if anyone can figure out who these people are. I would not surprise me if they are all one in the same. I just wish I could remember the other site’s name! If someone knows, please reply to this post. They had one option, which was included in the membership price, that allowed you to put your photos into a slide show, along with music. I made the most perfect one, myself. My Brother talks about it to this day. It would be interesting to see if anything ever developed over that rip-off.

I just hope that everyone effected by this problem, will turn out OK. As for me, life goes on. My memories of my wife and all the photos I have lost, are pretty much burnt into my brain. For those of you that used Club Photo for business/commercial? God bless and I pray He will get you through this ordeal.

Jim Randolph
sdaecar wrote on Apr 22, '07
After being unable to access ClubPhoto for several days I finally did a search and found this site. I too am a Platinum member and have a large number of photos I would like to retrieve.. I spent many hours scanning and uploading old family photos into albums.
oklagal wrote on Apr 23, '07
I have also been a member of Club Photo for a few years and just renewed my Platinum membership on 4-03-07. I have the email from them congratulating me and stating my membership will expire on 4-03-08. This really infuriates me. Not simply because of the albums lost but that they took my money knowing they were on the way out.
kbheaton wrote on Apr 23, '07
Jim,
Was that PhotoPoint? It failed in 2001-2002.
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-802658.html
Kathy
Houston TX
kbheaton wrote on Apr 23, '07
Re: http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2005/dec/1223345.htm
** Email Steamboat Ventures: svmail@steamboatvc.com **
Kathy
Houston Tx
kbheaton wrote on Apr 23, '07
Interesting...

Photo TLC: CareersAustin - TX No positions are currently available. Email- careers@phototlc.com Our Headquarters: 3925 Cypress Drive Petaluma, CA 94954. http://www.phototlc.com/careers.html
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egonzinc wrote on Apr 23, '07, edited on Apr 23, '07
Can the images on Multiply.com be hot linked to forums?
Just loaded some images and I checked the URL addy on the image and it is not in a format that can be linked.
And to be honest ANYTHING that is free makes me nervous!
TIA
Eduardo
kbheaton wrote on Apr 23, '07
These folks seem interested in handling class action suits:
http://www.bwclassaction.com/class_actions.shtml
girlperson1 wrote on Apr 23, '07
ClubPhoto fired everyone the same day (March 6, 2007) a UCC Filing with the Secretary of State in Texas shows ClubPhoto purchased some very expensive equipment from Durst Image Technology LLC.

They had no money to run the business but they had money to buy a load of very expensive equipment:

Durst Printer - Theta 51, Theta 51 Processor, and Prepstation, Serial No. 13068
Densitometer Serial no. 3620
smoky53 wrote on Apr 23, '07
Here's the link to a story dated December, 2005, about PhotoTLC, the California company that took over ClubPhoto. Interesting they had so much investment money.
http://www.mickeynews.com/News/DisplayPressRelease.asp_Q_id_E_12165Photo
llbatronis wrote on Apr 23, '07
WOW!!!
Thanks to whomever started this site. Just tried to get onto Clubphoto and couldn't. For some strange reason did an google search and found you guys. I too had thousands of pictures on CP. A few years ago they had problems and all my old photos were "lost" for a while. After many phone calls I was told they were switching servers and would have things up and running in a month. This took more like 6 months, but eventually my old photos did show back up. At that point I backed up all those photos and made sure to back ANY other photos placed on there just in case. I am so glad I did. I don't think I lost any photos, but I feel for those of you that did. I was in panic mode when I thought I had before.
I will miss the convenience and my family will miss the access to current photos.
I feel for all those people who lost their jobs. Horrible, just horrible!!
masondc wrote on Apr 23, '07
The law firm linked is a real estate law firm, I doubt they are doing a class action here -- where did you see that they are (or are you just generally linking a law firm?). Anyway, as a lawyer, I think the odds of a class action are remote because, I imagine, their aren't a ton of assets here to divide. Not to mention the online agreements probably allow for this thing -- after the refund of annual fees (which nobody really wants, we just want our pictures). It could conceivably be a nice threat or way to convince them to offer some sort of service for everyone to retrieve their pictures, though. I'll gladly offer my services as lead plantiff. I am really annoyed about the sudden shut down without any notice. If someone could just contact them (anyone have contact info for any of the principals here?), perhaps we could convince them it would be in their best financial interest to sell CDs of albums for a short time.
dave wrote on Apr 23, '07
Can the images on Multiply.com be hot linked to forums?
Just loaded some images and I checked the URL addy on the image and it is not in a format that can be linked.
And to be honest ANYTHING that is free makes me nervous!
TIA
Eduardo
Just click on the "share" link below the photo and you'll see the html for hotlinking.
carpmusic wrote on Apr 23, '07
masondc said
perhaps we could convince them it would be in their best financial interest to sell CDs of albums for a short time.
Can't imagine giving them another dime. What's to say they wouldn't take that extra money and run with it. I just want the pics. They can keep the money (and choke on it!). I think that the general consensus is to let the b@$t@rd$ have the cash. In the end, no one ever profits from ill-gotten gain. My dad is a Vietnam Vet and they had a saying there- "the Hook's gonna get ya!" I think the Hook is gonna make a comeback!
alanao wrote on Apr 23, '07
I, too, am a victim of CP- over 8000 photos gone. They were still charging credit cards on 4/9. Just called the Attorney General's office in Austin and filed a complaint. She said that she doesn't show any other complaints on this company yet (may take a few days to show up)- EVERYONE PLEASE CALL THE AG and file- 512.463.2100. I agree with masondc...convince them it would be in their best financial interest to sell CDs of albums for a short time. I believe this is a definite class action or at least the threat of. I looked up property records for Eric Skrudland, the COO of Club Photo, and he lives in Austin- home # is unlisted. Does anyone know the most recent CEO of CP or PhotoTLC? How about letters to everyone's home address: Eric Skrudland, Ed Berstein, owners/directors of Steamboat Ventures...I live in Dallas and am willing to drive to Austin to sit in front of someone's house until I get some attention- I'm furious!!! Can anyone recommend a plan of action? Any progress on news channels/reporters?
alanao wrote on Apr 23, '07
me again...just contacted Steamboat Ventures- they are very leary of providing any info, asked if I was with the media, etc. She was extremely nice, took my info and said she would "do some checking" and get back to me. I will be sure to let you all know what transpires, but I don't think it would hurt if everyone put pressure on them as well. (Thanks again to Micheal for starting this thread and allowing this space!!!)
manemk wrote on Apr 23, '07
i just spoke with steamboat ventures...she said that she would be passing the info along to phototlc, but can't guarantee they will respond. i told her i would keep calling back until i got some answers. when i was getting off with her i said "so, i'm guessing you and i will be speaking again tomorrow...". she seemed sympathetic, but whatever. i got a response from the mayor of austin's office. they said it was for the texas attorney general to take care of - filed two complaints already. the govenors office in pa (where i am) said it was for the pa attorney general to handle - already have complaints in to them. i called a consumer protection # from clark howards website and told her the situation. i told her that i have contacted all the newspapers, radio & news stations in austin and she told me that i am doing everything that she would have suggested.
tmik wrote on Apr 23, '07
Me Too -I just added my 2cents and told her pictures were the important thing to me - She feels our pain and I am sure she or whomever she works for will be rattling the rafters at Club Photo Offices soon !!!
michaelg wrote on Apr 23, '07
alanao said
(Thanks again to Micheal for starting this thread and allowing this space!!!)
You're very welcome!

Please consider Multiply for you future photo sharing and printing needs. It's a much more fun and exciting way to share photos than what Club Photo was offering. Thanks.
manemk wrote on Apr 23, '07, edited on Apr 23, '07
a response from an austin tv station...

Hello Nora -
Thank you for your e-mail. This certainly sounds like something we would like to check into. I have sent your e-mail to our news director. I will let you know.
Thanks again.
Tyler

Tyler Sieswerda
Anchor
KVUE TV
3201 Steck Ave.
Austin, TX 78757
512-459-2075

:)
manemk wrote on Apr 23, '07
I emailed each person on this link. More emails can't hurt...

http://www.kvue.com/aboutkvue/newsteam/?ln
manemk wrote on Apr 23, '07
somone from clark howards radio show called me back tonight. they said to look up clubphoto by writing "whois club photo" in google. he did it while he was on the phone with me. he said to maybe try and get to tucow.com...i haven't had a chance yet to look at the info it pulled up. here it is though for what it is worth...

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.


Domain Name: CLUBPHOTO.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://WWW.TUCOWS.COM
Name Server: NS.CLUBPHOTO.COM
Name Server: NS1.JETDISC.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 23-apr-2007
Creation Date: 16-may-1998
Expiration Date: 15-may-2008

>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:32:12 UTC <<<

alanao wrote on Apr 23, '07
I just called and spoke with Tyler, the anchor at KVUE in Austin and he was extremely interested. Took my info and transferred me to Clara Tuma's voicemail-she is the reporter on the case and is gathering as much info as possible. We need to contact her at 512-459-6521
tmik wrote on Apr 23, '07
I called her - PLUS sent her an email explaining thing AND directed her to this site so she can catch up on what we have done so far PLUS I hope she will mention multiply.com being right there with us !!!!
alanao wrote on Apr 23, '07
Great, tmik! I also gave him this address and agree that multiply.com should be recognized.
carpmusic wrote on Apr 23, '07
you guys are all doing an excellent job! Let's keep up the pressure! We've got to keep that gazelle intensity!
girlperson1 wrote on Apr 23, '07
A new message appears at the clubphoto.com site as of a little while ago:

Under Construction

The site you are trying to view does not currently have a default page. It may be in the process of being upgraded and configured.

Please try this site again later. If you still experience the problem, try contacting the Web site administrator.
oklagal wrote on Apr 23, '07
I emailed Clara Tuma earlier today. I did a search for local television stations in the Austin area and just picked her as the person to contact. Glad to hear others have done so too, maybe she will check into it.