Blog EntryThe Mets make me sickAug 30, '07 5:49 PM
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Four days ago the Mets had a 6 game lead over the Phillies going into an important 4 game series against them.  Going into the series, as a pessimist (synonymous with Mets fan), I'm just hoping the Mets win one out of the four and escape with a 4 game lead. Winning more than one would be gravy.

Monday night the Mets were blown out 9-2.  Fine.  Mets lead: 5 games.

Tuesday night Glavine pitched 7 shut-out innings and the Mets have a 2-0 lead. In the 8th they bring in Feliciano who gives up a home run to the first batter. A walk, throwing error on a steal, and an infield-roller that David Wright and Paul LoDuca watch stay fair it's 2-2.  A nice Ryan Howard 2 run homer in the 10th wins the game. Mets lead: 4 games.

Wednesday, the Mets are down 3-2 in the 9th. They've got one out and runners on first and third. A fly-ball from tying the game. Just please no double-play. Shawn (weak-grounder-my-specialty) Green at the plate. Weak grounder to short. Maybe too weak to be a double-play? Rollins to Iguchi...Iguchi to...no throw...Mets tie it...nope...Marlon Anderson ran into Iguchi...interference called...batter out..double-play...game over. What just happened? Mets lead 3 games.

Today. Thankfully it was a day game so I didn't have to watch it. When I remembered there was a day game I checked and the Mets were already losing 8-5 in the 6th.  Just to see how bad they'll lose I checked about an hour later. The Mets scored 5 runs in the 8th...now up 10-8!   Mets bring in Billy Wagner - all star closer. How about giving up a homer? Burrell homers, thanks. 10-9. In the Phillies bottom of the 9th, 2 singles, three stolen bases, an intentional walk, and another single later..game over 11-10 Phillies. Mets division lead 2 games.

Just look at the scoreboard here.
http://sports.myway.com/mlb/game_logs/270830122.html
Man. Unbelievable.

Earlier in the week in Marc's post Save = meaningless stat Sambu wrote "The save is one of the least effective stats at evaluating a players value to his team." and Marc wrote "[closers are] the most overrated position in baseball. The rest of the team has to do its job for 8 innings for the closer to even get in the game. Then he has to get three outs."  I don't know. The whole dynamic of a game changes knowing you've got someone capable of getting a few outs or not. Just having a reliable closer provides this huge intimidation factor that absolutely affects the opponent's offense for more innings than just the closer's. "We have to score this inning because if we don't we'll see Rivera" adds pressure that both makes the setup man and other scrub relievers better. The converse is true too. When there's no confidence in the bullpen, the starters feel like they can't give up a run and the offense presses more in tight games.

I've digressed.

I'm not sure I'll be able to watch another Met game this season. Right now they make me sick.

 
 

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tristancockcroft wrote on Aug 30, '07
How Willie Randolph can bring in Billy Wagner for two innings and then leave him out there for 50-plus pitches is beyond me. It's like he didn't have a plan. Not that I'm saying I think closers SHOULD be one-inning, 20-pitch kinds of guys, but when the game dictates that pitchers are conditioned to pitch those kinds of outings, going beyond 50 is just ridiculous. That's half a starter's workload!

Not a Mets fan speaking there, just curious about that one as a baseball guy...
marc wrote on Aug 30, '07
The whole dynamic of a game changes knowing you've got someone capable of getting a few outs or not. Just having a reliable closer provides this huge intimidation factor that absolutely affects the opponent's offense for more innings than just the closer's.
But the Mets do have a reliable closer. Isn't Billy Wagner considered one of the best? And that is one of my points, that managers over-rely on these guys just because they feel like they have to always bring in the "closer" to justify his position. Why not leave in the pitcher who's actually getting outs instead of automatically having to bring in the closer at the end?

Your point is well taken about the intimidation factor, but at the end of the day, if you are trailing going into the 9th - no matter who the closer is - the odds are you will lose the game almost every time.
michaelg wrote on Aug 30, '07
How Willie Randolph can bring in Billy Wagner for two innings and then leave him out there for 50-plus pitches is beyond me. It's like he didn't have a plan.
FWIW, Wagner hasn't pitched for about 5 or 6 games. Last week Heilman was given a save opp because Wagner complained of a "dead arm." (nice). Then, there wasn't a save opp until today. So, he was well-rested.

Additionally, for the last two weeks or so, there is not a pitcher in the Mets bullpen capable of getting an out.
michaelg wrote on Aug 30, '07
marc said
But the Mets do have a reliable closer. Isn't Billy Wagner considered one of the best?
I think Wagner has 3 or 4 blown saves in his last 3 or 4 save opportunities.
tristancockcroft wrote on Aug 30, '07
marc said
Why not leave in the pitcher who's actually getting outs instead of automatically having to bring in the closer at the end?
Well, he didn't exactly come in in the ninth. He came in in the eighth, and that actually made a bit of sense, with the two tough lefties (Utley, Howard) coming up. Problem is, why is it standard to leave that guy in to die for the ninth? I'm all for creative thinking, bringing the closer in an out-of-the-norm situation, but then if the guy's clearly gassed, why not go to a fresher reliever with better matchups?
tristancockcroft wrote on Aug 30, '07
FWIW, Wagner hasn't pitched for about 5 or 6 games.
That's even worse, then, especially if he complained of a "dead arm." After such a lengthy absence he comes in for a ridiculous 50-pitch outing right off the bat? That's the equivalent of the reliever-turned-starter who goes from 10 pitches in a one-inning outing and then gets expected to throw 100 four days later.

I admit, I'm really big on ramping up and down your workloads, so many I'm just not thinking along the traditional lines. To me, you only go 50 if you've been working consistently and are pretty fresh as well (a day or two rest).
gigster wrote on Aug 30, '07
I feel your pain Mike,I watched all the games and today's was like being on a roller coaster that fell off the tracks.I was hoping at least for a series split but NOT.
Bring on the Braves and LETS GO METS! I hope they can recover.I would like to see a post season.
michaelg wrote on Aug 30, '07
gigster said
Bring on the Braves and LETS GO METS!
I need a few days off.
sambu wrote on Aug 30, '07
Woo-hoo, go Phils!
tp8888 wrote on Aug 31, '07
be thankful...at least your not rooting for the Marlins and the Orioles...=(
markkline wrote on Sep 4, '07
Philly Rocks!
michaelg wrote on Sep 4, '07
Philly Rocks!
Your reply is 4 days and 3 more games behind in the standings late.
thurst wrote on Sep 4, '07
I feel your pain. Remember...it's just a game. We all have peaks and canyons. The Mets...
sambu wrote on Sep 15, '07
Phils have the Mets number this year ...
sambu wrote on Sep 17, '07
Your reply is 4 days and 3 more games behind in the standings late.
Suuh - weeeep! Brooms are out.

The Phils get Hamels back tomorrow.
sambu wrote on Sep 17, '07
Damn, I just checked the remaining schedule and edge to NY. The delta is Philly gets Atlanta while NY gets Florida. The balance of games are St Louis and Washington for both, so push there.

Phils went 12-6 against the Mets.
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